Karen L. Herbst, Ph.D., M.D.
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 at subcutaneous adipose tissue (SAT) Disorder Specialist University of ARIZONA, TUCSON

Lipedema
Dercum disease
Madelung Disease
Familial multiple lipomatosis

karenherbst@email.arizona.edu

SEEING existing patients only AT banner umc or north campus

I no longer see patients on the South campus/Abrams building 
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preparing for an appointment at banner university medical center

My clinic is at 3838 north campbell avenue
clinic c
2nd floor
tucson, arizona, 85719
Phone 520-694-8888
fax 520-874-7042


BRING THE NAME AND FAX NUMBER OF YOUR DOCTOR/HEALTHCARE PROVIDER WITH YOU TO THE APPOINTMENT

HAND CARRY ALL NOTES AND LABS AS FAXING IS NOT A GUARANTEE OF INFORMATION ARRIVAL

CALL AND CANCEL YOUR APPOINTMENT WELL AHEAD OF TIME IF YOU CANNOT MAKE IT

we WILL TRY AND FIND A DIFFERENT APPOINTMENT TIME FOR YOU.

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FOR PHYSICIANS WANTING TO SPEAK TO DR. HERBST PLEASE USE THE FOLLOWING NUMBERS:

Call (for physicians only NOT PATIENTS):
  • Toll free - (800) 777-7552
  • In Mexico - 95-800-328-5868
  • In Tucson - (520) 694-5868
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To leave a message for dr. herbst you may CALL 520-694-8888 TO SPEAK WITH the PS




Canadian patients:
The Canadian Health Care Insurer (Pacific Blue Cross) has agreed to cover 100% of the cost of manual lymph drainage treatments, garments and sequential pneumatic lymph pump after a patient of mine with stage 3 lipedema wrote to the review committee (they were paying 50% previous).  

British Columbian provincial government may pay for her liposuction.


For LIDOCAINE infusions for chronic pain: The University of Arizona Anesthesiology department performs lidocaine infusions IV for appropriate candidates.
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UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA CLINICS

WHAT I PROVIDE:
1. HOPE - based on my years of experience with ATDs, I have a lot of ideas for you to try that people with ATDs before you have tried and found out to work for them in many instances.  With medical science roaring ahead, there are always new things to try.


2. EXPERIENCED FINGERS - Doctors and nurses, PAs and other healthcare providers were never taught how to examine fat.  I know how and learn more as time goes on.


3. A PLAN - you will leave my clinic visit with ideas on how to continue to improve your life.


4. A PARTNERSHIP - I learn from you as well so feel free to share your ideas with me on what works for you and what does not work; I will listen.

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IF YOU ARE FLYING IN TO TUCSON FROM OUT OF THE STATE OR OUT OF THE COUNTRY:


PLEASE BE SURE TO GET FLIGHT INSURANCE OR AN OPEN END TICKET IN CASE I AM CALLED OUT OF TOWN OR BECOME ILL.


I AM HAPPY TO WRITE A LETTER FOR YOU TO GET YOUR TICKET CHANGED BUT USUALLY THIS ONLY WORKS IF YOU HAVE INSURANCE OR AN OPEN END TICKET.
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FAXES
For notes, labs and other clinical information: 520-874-7042

SCHEDULING AND APPOINTMENT LINE
You will need a medical record number prior to getting an appointment which you can get by calling (520) 694-8888.  This same number can be used to schedule an appointment with me at either the Main or South campus.  Appointments are:

Mondays at BUMC NORTH
3838 North Campbell Avenue
Clinic C
2nd Floor all the way to the end taking a right from the elevator or stairs
Parking: Free


BILLING
Many insurance programs including Medicare are accepted by the University of Arizona.  

​See if your insurance is accepted here:     

https://www.bannerhealth.com/patients/billing


For those paying cash, there is an uninsured discount that you should receive on your bill.  Please call the billing department to discuss and ask about this at your appointment.
   
I am not able to keep up with phone calls and emails at this time.  All phone calls for clinical care need to go through 520-694-8888.  Better yet, sign up for The Banner Portal and leave a message.


WHAT TO BRING TO AN APPOINTMENT

1. ALL Labs in ATDs tend to be normal.  Bring any abnormal labs, a lipid profile, an ESR, CRP, CH50.

2. Any imaging that provides information on your ATD.

3. A copy of the Overview form filled out.  Click on the underlined words to download pdf, fill out and bring with you to the appointment. 

4. The fax number of any physician or healthcare provider you want your note sent to. 

5. Wear clothes you can easily take on and put on. Do not wear your compression if you are expecting an exam - you can put on after the exam.

6. LABS

Bring any labs you have completed within the past year.

a. Lipid panel; if on lipid lowering medications, also get homocysteine and Lp(a) levels

b. Marker of inflammatory mediators in the blood causing blood cells to precipitate quicker: Erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR)

c. Stable marker of inflammatory repair: C-reactive protein (CRP)

d. CH50 - checks if your complement (clotting system) is normal or elevated.  The complement system is part of the inflammatory cascade and when other markers of inflammation/repair tend to be negative, this one can turn out to be positive and guide us in your treatment.

e. Angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) level - this is a non-specific marker of inflammation and can turn out to be positive when other markers are negative.  If it is positive, it does not mean you have sarcoid, a condition in which ACE levels are high - it just means you have inflammation.  Your healthcare provider may want a chest X-ray to evaluate for sarcoid if this lab comes back positive.

f. IgE, IgA, IgG levels - many people with fat disorders have low IgG levels.  IF this lab comes back low, check a IgG subclass panel to find which IgG is low.  You may want to see an Immunologist/Allergist if you have low IgG levels.

g. Vitamin D level - vitamin D helps fight off infections, improves bone mineral density and tends to be low in people who have excess fat.

h. If you have a lot of chemical sensitivities, allergies, itching, flushing, edema, or think you might have a mast cell activation disorder, please check:
   -Serum tryptase (Quest Diagnostics; 34484); CPT code 83520
   -Plasma histamine (Quest Diagnostics; 6586X); CPT code 83088     
   -Prostaglandin D2 (FPGD2 90154); Mayo clinic; CPT code 
       84150 - http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/print/90154) 
    -Factor VIII activity (Quest Diagnostics; 8353); CPT code 85240
    -24 hour urine for the histamine metabolite N-methylhistamine (Quest Diagnostics; 83011); CPT Codes 82570, 83789; Includes creatinine)
 Must be off all H2 antagonist/blockers (ranitidine, cimetidine, famotidine), all antihistamines (benadryl, zyrtec, allegra, claritin, quercetin and others) and off all NSAIDs (ibuprofen, naproxen, ketoprofen and others), and off aspirin (ASA) for 7 days to get the tests in "h".


i. If you have fatigue
***Please get a TSH to check the thyroid
***Check the hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis circadian rhythm and function with four salivary cortisol levels: 8AM, noon, 4PM and before bed through Labcorp test number 502124 (four serial samples); CPT code 82533

IMAGING
If you have significant edema (lymphedema) and have never had a lymphoscintigraphy scan but want one to better understand your lymphatic anatomy and physiology, your primary care physician can order one for you either locally or at the University of Arizona.  Please call well ahead of time as they book 1-2 months out.  Lymphoscintigraphy can be used to detect blockages in the lymph vessels or the absence of lymph vessel. This test requires a small amount of radioactive material to be injected through a small needle into the hand or foot. Except for minor discomfort (some people with chronic pain experience more pain) and skin injection, this test is not otherwise dangerous or painful. 
More here: http://www.uahealth.com/library/sections/article/lymphoscintigraphy 

PULMONARY
If shortness of breath is a main component of your ATD and you will be seeing me, please ask your healthcare provider to order pulmonary function testing (PFTs).  If you have had a CT or MRI of your lungs, please bring the actual scan and report with you.  I am working with the Cardiothoracic Imaging Chief and she and her colleagues have taken an interest in ATDs.
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PLACES TO STAY
Please rely on your own decision for a hotel to meet your personal needs.



Sincerely,
Karen L. Herbst, PhD, MD


Below you see macrophages (roundish dark dots which are the nuclei of the macrophages) or collagen (that thick pinkish colored area in the picture to the right) surrounding blood vessels from people with Dercum's disease.


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Dr. Karen L. Herbst

Dr. Herbst was voted as one of San Diego’s top doctors in San Diego Magazine 2009 and in the "Guide to Americs's Top Physicians" in 2013 - see: consumersresearchcncl.org/ 
She was a guest on the Doctor's Show where she discussed the Cyclic Variations in Adaptive Conditioning (CVAC) Process as a unique form of exercise eventually publishing on the ability of the CVAC Process to reduce pain in a pilot study of Dercum's disease. Dr. Herbst was the research Physician on Mystery Diagnosis in June 2010 highlighting a young man with Dercum's Disease (The Man with 1000 Lumps).




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